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Nenolod to declare InspIRCd dead

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    Nenolod the developer of atheme says if InspIRCd fails to have a release in the near future he will consider it dead. Any views on what this may mean for the large percent of people running Atheme + InspIRCd networks?
    swarley, Dec 20, 2011
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    I think nenolod is scaremongering to be honest, albeit updates to InspIRCd have been very few and far between, I don't think it's dead by any means. For instance the InspIRCd community on ChatSpike remains strong, which is one good sign. Not only that but I think InspIRCd would have the decency to let the users know if they were giving up with it.

    Who knows truly though, I don't and nenolod certainly doesn't. Only time will tell.
    Bertrum, Dec 20, 2011
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    Seriously... UnrealIRCd ONLY has a full release after like 2 years of near inactivity and RC releases and it's considered Alive. While InspIRCd has a very active development group (just check on it's git repository) and had a release a mere 3 months ago.

    You should take everything nenolod has to say with a pinch of salt...
    Trixar_za, Dec 20, 2011
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    Projects like mIRC also sometimes had more than 12 months between releases.
    Bertrum, Dec 20, 2011
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    Still though, if the main Atheme dev would consider it death, then they will stop supporting it, right?
    That would seriously impact the users that use Atheme in combination with Inspircd.
    HiddenKnowledge, Dec 21, 2011
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    I doubt they will stop supporting it, it would be a real dick move to stop supporting the second most used IRCd. UnrealIRCd was inactive for a lot longer than InspIRCd
    Bertrum, Dec 21, 2011
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    There is some bad blood between nenolod and w00t. w00t and nenolod argued about the m_invisible module that kept breaking Atheme and w00t went off to Anope to help them make it more compatible with InspIRCd. The irony of this is that m_invisible is now a defunct module in the latest dev branch of InspIRCd.

    Not that I like w00t very much. I heard he once tried to 'fire' danieldg from the InspIRCd 2 project because daniel was doing things with InspIRCd that w00t didn't like. Yes, fire somebody from a free community driven project while said person is doing the MAJORITY of the work. Genius
    Trixar_za, Dec 21, 2011
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    Haha, I don't really care what they do, as long as they keep releasing good products, really. :p
    HiddenKnowledge, Dec 21, 2011
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    In my opinion, he will lose a large group of support that is the majority that runs InspIRCd|Atheme. More often than not I have noticed the two paired. Over InspIRCd|Anope. But if Atheme 7 fails to support InspIRCd then we will have a lot more nets with Anope (Or at least I believe so in my humble opinion.)
    swarley, Dec 21, 2011
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    Yes, that was my original opinion as well, but if it's just a little argument between the two.. Idk.
    HiddenKnowledge, Dec 21, 2011
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    Personally, I don't think he will stop supporting InspIRCd, and I think InspIRCd will release a new version soon.
    Bertrum, Dec 21, 2011
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    I think we'd see less InspIRCd nets (if you have a larger network, it's easier to switch IRCd's then it is to have everyone re-register their nicknames and channels), or possibly even a fork of Atheme that maintains InspIRCd support.
    Joah, Dec 22, 2011
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    Yes that's a very fair point Joah, I never actually considered that but it is more likely people would change IRCds, it could mean the rebirth of UnrealIRCd :S
    Bertrum, Dec 22, 2011
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    I hope people would favor ShadowIRCd over UnrealIRCd, in that case.
    Joah, Dec 22, 2011
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    Same here, however I can't see the people who went from Unreal to InspIRCd, going to ShadowIRCd. I assume they will all revert to Unreal :X
    Bertrum, Dec 22, 2011
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    If Atheme 7 doesn't support InSPYrcd so what? It'll be his loss I'm sure. mIRC tried the same power move with their "call home" validation it now has. There are many that just simply stopped upgrading and I can see the same thing here. "Atheme 7 doesn't support my IRCd of choice over some high school level emo drama?? .. No problem, I'll keep Atheme 6 or pick something else ..."

    After all, lets not forget that Anope 1.9 stability is leveling out and has the same oper levels, just not channel flags. Would that be such a huge loss? I doubt it. One could argue the ease of module coding, but I've learned that very few people are coders to start with, the vast majority use canned modules so that's not a huge impact either. Not to mention that "ease of coding" assumes services ircd struct already supports your module. In Anope 1.8 the ircd struct is roughly 5 times larger than Atheme's. No that doesn't make it "better", but to get the same thing in Atheme, you would have to code said struct support your self. Doesn't sound easier to me. At least Anope knows what a NetAdmin is although it doesn't do anything with it currently, but a module can!
    katsklaw, Dec 22, 2011
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    That's a good point really, I wouldn't care if I lost channel flags, I rarely use them anyway, I prefer XOP a lot.
    Bertrum, Dec 22, 2011
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    Anope 1.9 does now have channel flags, though they're very odd compared to Atheme's.
    Joah, Dec 22, 2011
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    I haven't tried 1.9 out since the very first release, it's something I should try again
    Bertrum, Dec 22, 2011
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    Well, It's a pretty resource hungry IRCd. Tooo many IRCd's been released it's bound to happen
    IOnlyUseIPv6, Dec 23, 2011
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